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Post by vikingken on Oct 24, 2012 11:15:18 GMT
The Antec Skeleton was bought to get rid of the heat given off by the early Radeon 4870 graphics cards. Maintenance was a nightmare, you cant keep it clean and dust is forced down onto the motherboard. Beastly Bulldozer is in a conventional case and the Saphire 6870 graphics exhaust out the back of the case. The Beast was originally built as an air cooled machine and the nucear reactor was an addition. I wouldn't go back to air cooling now. My first attempt at water cooling with the Zalman unit, cooled the CPU, GPU, North bridge and hard drives. Lovely job, it was a pity it blew up.
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Post by oddsocks on Oct 24, 2012 11:27:38 GMT
Quote: "Lovely job, it was a pity it blew up." I read about a mushroom cloud over Nottingham. I thought it was another fantasy report. Tony
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Post by vikingken on Oct 24, 2012 11:56:44 GMT
Having your carpet soaked in Listerine, sure beats Febreeze Tony.
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Post by johnnybee on May 23, 2013 1:19:50 GMT
Footnote to this one, Ken, if you'd be so kind; have you still got any links for watercooling systems suitable for the Phenom setup? I'd like to put a block on the CPU and chipset, and maybe the GPU as well at a later date; I've already got a 5.25" reso and a 94mm radiator, so all I really need is a good pump, some decent tubing and the cooler blocks for the chips - any ideas? Another question on the same lines; you mentioned the Zalman reservator idea, which makes a lot of sense to me - spreading the heat into a few gallons of water will get rid of a helluva lot of energy quite quickly, and stop any hotspots developing. I had the thought that maybe using five-sixteenth copper tubing spread out behind the workstation in a lattice arrangement, amounting to about forty feet in length would do more or less the same job as a radiator, but without the need for a fan. That translates to around a total of 1.8 gallons of coolant, and a surface area of just under nine square feet - a helluva lot more area then a 94mm square radiator. Whaddaya think, Ken - does this seem a good way to go, or am I missing something?
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Post by vikingken on May 23, 2013 2:27:23 GMT
The place I used to get my stuff has gone out of business now John. Sealed units are the only way to go now and a bloody sight cheaper I think. The price of decent tubing, fittings and bits and bobs all mount up. My original Zalman system cost more than the bloody computer. Antec start about 45 quid on Amazon, it depends on what you want to cool. I paid around 90 quid for the rig on BB, but thats cooling a AMD v8 with the electronic controls. I think its an Antec H60 with dual fans on it, cooling Super Beast with its AMD v6 and thats a cheapy. I think it only comes with one fan, but you need two to get the max out of it.
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Post by johnnybee on Jul 5, 2013 0:19:12 GMT
Just to resurrect this thread for a minute, I thought it worth commenting on the massive improvements in energy use and heat generation in modern PC systems viz-a-vi the old single-core stuff that we were all brought up on. The previous discussion was based upon those early experiences to a large extent, when much of the electrical energy put into the system was then dissipated, rather than being used to "drive" the system. I first noticed the difference when I built my first Athlon x64 "lidded" setup on an MSI 7049 'board - still using PC3200 RAM - which was every bit as quick as most of the overclocked XP series systems I'd built before; okay, I'd gone the extra mile and used a proper heat-tube cooler, but that rig never went above 38C for the board and 33-34C for the CPU. TBH, I don't really know what my expectations were when I moved up to a quad from a triple core CPU; the x3 wasn't THAT much quicker than a double, but it did run a lot hotter - 44-48C - in the same case, so the comparison was a viable one. Moving on to the Quad then, I was astounded; okay, so the case was bigger with a good airflow through it, but initial readings off the onboard thermocouple showed that the CPU was the coolest part of the system at 32C - eleven degrees above ambient at that time. The board temps showed the usual 37-38C, and the HDD monitors showed the highest readings of all at 43C for the primary, and 47C for the secondary - and these drives are mounted right behind the front 120mm fan. I've heard of applications like SiSoft and CPUburn that load the system up to the max, to give an indication of heat/cpu usage, but I didn't fancy taking the rig to the ultimate just to prove a point; I therefore used the old onion of converting an old VHS movie into MPEG-3, and burning it to DVD as a realistic way of pushing the system further than I normally would. Bloody hell; a 94-minute film, soundtrack and all, was done in seven minutes twenty two seconds from start to finish, and the temperatures on the system didn't seem to move at all - I did see the active HDD go up a few degrees, but that was about it. Soooo, bottom line seems to be that heat emissions in PC's is no longer an issue - at least for those of us who live in normal houses in temperate climates; what was virtually impossible only nine or ten years ago on the old single-core PC's is now commonplace on the later breed of multicore systems - so we don't really need the complication of watercooling, do we? LOL!
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Post by vikingken on Jul 5, 2013 1:15:18 GMT
No more complicated to fit a water unit than an air unit John. My v.8 Bulldozer runs at 32°C without pushing the fans or pump up, you would never get that with air cooling. The Bulldozer is the hottest running core on the market, thats why AMD have brought out a new one. You dont need a top line for a quad, and a decent air unit will cost pretty much the same money.
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